In this episode of the Smarter Not Harder Podcast, Boomer Anderson, Dr. Theodore Achacoso, Dr. Scott Sherr, Jodi Duval, Dr. Jup Kuipers, and Dr. Allen Bookatz give one-cent solutions to life’s $64,000 questions that include:

• Why is objective testing essential in health optimization, and what are the risks of relying on symptom-based guessing?

• How have misconceptions about genetics, gut health, and detox protocols shaped — and sometimes misled — modern health practices?

• What lessons have emerged from personal experiences with extreme diets, over-supplementation, and aggressive biohacking strategies?

• How has the understanding of practices such as intermittent fasting and probiotic use evolved with advancements in both clinical and experiential knowledge?

What We Discuss:

00:00 Welcome to the Smarter Not Harder Podcast
02:56 The Case for Testing: Why Guessing Your Health No Longer Works (Dr. Ted)
06:11 DNA Isn’t Destiny: What Genetics Got Wrong (Dr. Jup & Dr. Scott)
07:04 Gut Health Wasn’t Real Yet — Then We Changed Everything (Dr. Scott)
10:39 Smoothie Detoxes & Systemic Failure: What Medicine Got Wrong (Dr. Allen)
14:23 Raw Vegan, Clay Cleanses & Burnout: The Health Wake-Up Call (Jodi Duval)
17:44 Why Probiotics Don’t Work Like You Think (Jodi Duval)
22:13 CrossFit, Bulletproof Coffee & Panic Attacks: My Biohacking Breakdown (Boomer)
25:00 High-Dose Supplements I Should’ve Never Taken (Boomer on Selenium)
28:58 Intermittent Fasting Was Broken — Here’s What Actually Works (Dr. Ted)
32:30 What 10 Years Taught Us About Health Optimization (HOMeHOPe Team)

Full Transcript:

[00:00:00] Jodi Duval: 10 years ago, I was coming into a phase where I was now understanding that vegan wasn't the pinnacle of all diets because I was vegan for some time and. I was treating clients and I was wondering what the hell was going on and why everyone was tired and failing and not improving their health whatsoever by being on this amazing, so-called, um, plant-based diet.

[00:00:23] Jodi Duval: So yeah, that was a, that was a huge turning point for me, especially with observation with my clients. So I was lecturing at the time as well. I was lecturing with this huge belly walking up. Stairs and trying to chat to my students about maybe why we shouldn't be being vegan anymore. Um, and telling our clients, you know, and trying to teach them that meat is medicine.

[00:00:44] Jodi Duval: I think it was, uh, I went traveling and I was like, you know what? And I was like, I'm gonna have some brisket diving, diving into some brisket. That's awesome. I I was never turning back after that. Um, but So brisket was what broke you? Yeah. That's awesome. 

[00:00:57] Boomer Anderson: I love it. Brisket broke you. I mean, if there's good brisket, I mean, come on, boomer is eating.

[00:01:02] Boomer Anderson: Boomer not good. 

[00:01:03] Jodi Duval: Yeah. Oh my gosh. It would be 

[00:01:05] Boomer Anderson: a pretty good brisket. Yeah.

[00:01:18] Boomer Anderson: But did you just say, let me clear my throat? 

[00:01:20] Dr. Allen Bookatz: Yeah, 

[00:01:22] Boomer Anderson: you did one time. 

[00:01:25] Dr. Allen Bookatz: Yeah. How, how does a podcaster clear their throat? Scott? On 

[00:01:27] Dr. Scott Sherr: mute, man. On mute? Yeah. 

[00:01:29] Boomer Anderson: When I say freeze, you gonna freeze one time. When I say freeze, you gonna stop on a dime. Do you have like a 

[00:01:34] Dr. Allen Bookatz: freeze? Do 

[00:01:35] Boomer Anderson: you have like 

[00:01:35] Dr. Allen Bookatz: a prep? Like a prep before you go into these, you know, these podcasts like mm-hmm.

[00:01:41] Dr. Allen Bookatz: The vocal tone. You have to have 

[00:01:42] Dr. Scott Sherr: water and mm-hmm. The mute button on the ready. But let's have, Jody, how you doing Corrales? That was such a 

[00:01:51] Boomer Anderson: weak segue. Segue. That was, help me. 

[00:01:53] Jodi Duval: That was not even an intro. We haven't even gotten it 

[00:01:56] Boomer Anderson: yet. Usually, usually you're, you're really good ATSs. But that one I'll give you a d Yeah, 

[00:02:00] Jodi Duval: I know.

[00:02:00] Jodi Duval: That's that. 

[00:02:01] Boomer Anderson: I used to be that sum cum laude. That that wasn't ude. That No, no, it wasn't. 

[00:02:06] Jodi Duval: Well, we are here to give 1 cent solutions to $64,000 throat clearing questions.

[00:02:17] Jodi Duval: Oh, we're here with a whole team today. This is very exciting. Dr. Yup. Has joined us. We, we hardly ever get all of us together on one little podcast. This is very exciting and we are talking about the history of all of us before we knew each other. Which is very exciting also, and what we believe 10 years ago and what has changed.

[00:02:39] Jodi Duval: And so we are gonna be discussing some fun topics. I believe today it's gonna be good. Who wants to go first? 

[00:02:47] Dr. Scott Sherr: Anybody? Anybody? 

[00:02:48] Boomer Anderson: I, I, I can, I can. So let, let, let's let Dr. Tag go first. Yeah, go ahead. 10 years ago was 2015. Let's set the stage here. Yes, you 

[00:02:56] Dr. Ted Achacoso: stay. Um, and this all hinges [00:03:00] on what we do in Home Hope now.

[00:03:03] Dr. Ted Achacoso: Which is to do metabolomics testing, okay? Mm-hmm. And this is what I've been railing about since before we come up with all of these studies, but we actually never measure the levels of. This particular metabolites. So I'm just gonna mention, uh, several things that we measure that are, you know, in, in, in consumer, uh, media, you know, they believe this and, but we at home hope you know, are, uh, actually say, no, we gotta measure this.

[00:03:36] Dr. Ted Achacoso: So the first, uh, thing that they said before was, uh, you know, saturated, saturated fat is automatically atherogenic. That's fucked up, right? Measure your saturated fats and see whether or not you actually have a problem with your saturated fats. Those can be measured. Now the second one is fish oil for every, for uh, everyone.

[00:03:58] Dr. Ted Achacoso: And you know, and this is the reason why you have so many patients now with very, very high omega threes and actually very low Omega six, uh, you know. Measure it, you know. The third is that, you know, oh, here it's okay to have a high dose, uh, oxidant supplements. And, you know, and, and the study that they did was on vitamin E, greater than 400 IU a day, increases lung cancer and incidence of smokers taking baric, beta Carin.

[00:04:25] Dr. Ted Achacoso: That's very often cited. We, of course, measure our antioxidants, right? And we know that there's a phenomenon called antioxidant. Induced stress. So when you take two my antioxidants, without actually measuring what you need, you can actually induce stress. The other thing that we believe 10 years ago is vitamin D megadosing.

[00:04:46] Dr. Ted Achacoso: Like, what the fuck? You can measure vitamin D so easily. Right? So these are, these are the kinds of things that you can actually, um, you know, uh, see how. You know, these changes within 10 years all have to do with just one simple, uh, unifying factor that. Could have saved us, you know, time and trouble for, you know, believing all of these things.

[00:05:12] Dr. Ted Achacoso: You know, just measure these things if you need them. Give them if you don't, don't. Right. So, um, and that is very relevant. Again, as I said, in health optimization, uh, medicine and practice. You know, we guess we, we, we test, we don't guess your values and then we shift your ratios and we, we correct. Uh. Uh, by the network, not by the individual, uh, values, because I medicine has a silver bullet type.

[00:05:40] Dr. Ted Achacoso: You know, this was the one thing that I can change now. If you change one thing in, in a network, you'll change the rest. So why not take a look at their values in a network? It's possible to do that now and then do the supplementation as necessary. So serious for the opening. 

[00:05:57] Boomer Anderson: It 

[00:05:57] Dr. Ted Achacoso: is 

[00:05:57] Boomer Anderson: serious. 

[00:05:58] I'm 

[00:05:58] Boomer Anderson: just jotting down [00:06:00] all I, I'm jot, I'm jotting down all the nonsense I did like 10 years ago, so you guys need to go first.

[00:06:05] Boomer Anderson: So I, I'll it'll take me a moment. 

[00:06:08] Dr. Scott Sherr: We need some, we need some humor here though. Boomer. You got some nonsense, but 

[00:06:11] Boomer Anderson: Yeah, but, but 

[00:06:12] Dr. Jup Kuipers: please keep going. I can tell you about some nonsense Boomer did for me 10 years ago. I still believe, like in genetic testing, way more and some that was 10 years ago. That wasn't 

[00:06:21] Boomer Anderson: 10 years ago.

[00:06:22] Boomer Anderson: No, sorry. You have to go back to your Pokemon days. 

[00:06:25] Dr. Jup Kuipers: Okay, well, Charles, that's the best. 

[00:06:27] Boomer Anderson: Yeah, 

[00:06:28] Dr. Jup Kuipers: but that's still true. True. But you, no go, go, 

[00:06:30] Boomer Anderson: go, go to the, but tell your story about the the genetics test. 'cause that it's worth ta talking about. That's 

[00:06:36] Dr. Jup Kuipers: actually how I met Boomer. So. I think my brother met him at a cryptocurrency conference and persuaded him to get me and him to do genetic testing so you could like manage your diet and exercise nice.

[00:06:50] Dr. Jup Kuipers: And based on all these genes, which then I thought was awesome. But now of course we know better and it's much more an epigenetic story. But um, I think that's a big shift we made the last 10 years. 

[00:07:04] Dr. Scott Sherr: I think that's, I think that's actually true. Yep. Yeah. I think 10 years ago we really did think that we were gonna have all of our, our answers just by understanding the genetic code.

[00:07:13] Dr. Scott Sherr: You know, that was like the big thing that turned the century. I know, Ted, you've spoken about this before, like the whole, uh, making, we, we knew the whole genome. We know every single sequence we're gonna fix every disease by just, just knowing the genome. And I think that was kind of at the end of understanding that that truly was happening or that could even be possible.

[00:07:31] Dr. Scott Sherr: So, and you know, boomer was just a little bit behind the times and you know, that was what he was focused on in DNA. 

[00:07:37] Boomer Anderson: Was that behind the times or with the times? I don't know. I was surfing like a wave and then I realized the wave had some sta statistical flaws and got off. So 

[00:07:46] Dr. Allen Bookatz: yeah, to could throw it.

[00:07:48] Dr. Allen Bookatz: Remember you could go and download all your snips, right? And then. Was it Promethease was the database. Right. And it was, that was 

[00:07:55] Boomer Anderson: the OG database. Yeah. Now there's, there's a gazillion of them and I still think there's some utility to Sure. Some of that information. Sure. 

[00:08:02] Dr. Scott Sherr: Yeah. Could I think you, gene used to be the destiny, right?

[00:08:05] Dr. Scott Sherr: But now we know that genes are not the destiny. Right. One of the other major things that I was just thinking about was, uh, we used to think that the microbiota was just. Stuff in our gut that we needed to kill off with antibiotics when somebody had any kind of infection, any type of way. And so I, we, I had no idea about the science of the microbiota like we do now.

[00:08:28] Dr. Scott Sherr: Mm. And like eating healthy and eating for your gut was like not a thing. Right. So, I mean, I remember when I, a funny story is I think I was like around 35. This is when the gluten-free thing was getting much more crazed and not just for celiac, just like people just trying to be healthy. And I was at the time working at a hospital and every single day at the hospital, they had a beautiful meal and they always had cookies at the end.

[00:08:49] Dr. Scott Sherr: And I just, I. I love cookies and I just love these cooking. I was like, okay, you know what I'm gonna do? I'm just like, not gonna eat gluten for, for three months and see how I feel. And actually I felt fantastic off of gluten and, [00:09:00] uh, but I do, I did really, I really did miss those cookies that I wasn't eating as much anymore.

[00:09:04] Dr. Scott Sherr: But, so that was like one of my first, that was one of my first really major health shifts that I did was around that time. Uh, I think it was around 2015, 2015 or so, thinking about. Okay, I'm gonna try to change my health and do something different, um, other than maybe drinking a lot of coffee with fat in it at the same time, which I know some of you on this call have done too.

[00:09:24] Dr. Scott Sherr: I, I met, I, I, uh, I met Dave in 2013, just a couple years before that. And this was the beginning of that craze, the, the bulletproof craze. And so I was definitely having my coffee in the morning, uh, with a lot of fat and MCT oil and having, uh, lots of floating. Bowel movements as a result of that. So 

[00:09:44] Boomer Anderson: did you get the constipation or the diarrhea effect?

[00:09:48] Dr. Scott Sherr: I got the diarrhea effect, man. Like there's a, there's a funny Yiddish, the absentee man. There's a funny, funny Yiddish expression called Guy Kain off in yam, which means may you shit on WA water and make it float. And that's exactly what I was doing on a regular basis. And Oh yeah, I love that. This is 

[00:10:06] Boomer Anderson: a y expression.

[00:10:06] Boomer Anderson: Wow, that's amazing. 

[00:10:09] Dr. Ted Achacoso: You know what, it's my favorites. You know what, Scott, when I was in Bhutan, they were serving us like. Coffee with gh, right? Uh, that was the coffee that they're serving. And I said, how is this different from like the Bulletproof Coffee again, um, but's or 

[00:10:25] Boomer Anderson: yak butter tea? That was the OG one, right?

[00:10:28] Boomer Anderson: What, 

[00:10:29] Dr. Allen Bookatz: what people in Bhutan, you ripping off Dave aspr, you know? Yeah, 

[00:10:34] Jodi Duval: I heard of Bulletproof. Stole their ideas. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my goodness. 

[00:10:39] Dr. Scott Sherr: Alan, what were you doing in 2015? 

[00:10:41] Dr. Allen Bookatz: Oh man. I was just thinking like, so, so fif 2015, I would've been, I just finished fellowship and, and so this is an administrative fellowship on ed management and leadership.

[00:10:52] Dr. Allen Bookatz: And so I think the perspective was, wow, like medicine's great and, and there's clearly so much like longevity here for, you know, those of us that were new physicians with, that were excited and ready to, you know, actually help people get healthy. And so, you know, it just kind of brought me back to a time where we had this sort of naive optimism about what the system was, you know, what, what it was actually doing right.

[00:11:18] Dr. Allen Bookatz: And our role in it. And so you have a lot of really smart and driven people that wanna do good out there. And ultimately the system just. Does not allow people to do that. Right. Um, it's, it's a, it's sick here and so you can't really get people healthy. But I think, you know, along the same time I remember doing night shifts and eating terrible, or I, I do the same thing with like the cafeteria cookies and I'm like, I'm like, I need to like detox, you know, and the only thing I knew was like, okay, go.

[00:11:48] Dr. Allen Bookatz: Drink like those, uh, you know, those smoothies, uh, like the naked juice smoothies Yeah. Right. That are just full of sugar. Right. They're like, terrible for you. I'd be like, yeah. I'd be like, let me pound three of these things [00:12:00] and I'm gonna detox and be super healthy. God. And I would feel like horrible after them.

[00:12:05] Dr. Allen Bookatz: And I'm like, this is twin size. And, and I guess like, oh, the juice 

[00:12:08] Dr. Scott Sherr: smoothie. Oh. Oh. That was totally 2015 for me. Right. I was totally on the juice smoothie Still. There was like, did you have rain, 

[00:12:14] Boomer Anderson: reindeer antlers or was this sort of non on? No, no, this is definitely pre Pre reiner. This is pre, this 

[00:12:19] Dr. Scott Sherr: is, this is like the naked juices like you're talking about.

[00:12:21] Dr. Scott Sherr: Yeah. I used to have those, you know what I'm talking about at the hospital? Oh yeah. It was my breakfast. I used to have it for breakfast. Yeah. 

[00:12:26] Dr. Allen Bookatz: Breakfast. I'd have one for each meal thinking I'm like doing really good for myself and you know, if we look now what the constant of like what detox entails, right?

[00:12:37] Dr. Allen Bookatz: Uh, especially from like the home Hope. Lens. It's like, oh no, this is the farthest thing away from like a juice cleanse, unless it's maybe a celery juice. I don't know. It's like the farthest thing away from actual detox. And so. Yeah. You know, we think about now like, okay, what you need is you need B vitamins, you need flavonoids, you need glutathione, right?

[00:12:56] Dr. Allen Bookatz: And we need this complex system of recycling, um, recycling, homocysteine. And there's all this sophistication within it that like, we didn't, there was like completely unaware of, right. I'm thinking I'm doing good here and I'm really just. Bumping up my A1C, so, 

[00:13:12] Dr. Ted Achacoso: yeah. And do you have to focus now on remembering what you were taught in medical school about how Oh yeah.

[00:13:18] Dr. Ted Achacoso: Detoxification in the liver actually happens, right? Oh yeah. There are stages of gla of uh, uh, detoxification, which is like, uh, now you can see advertisements for helps in the this and the, that phase and you know, um. Uh, a, a, a and, and, and that, you know, is, uh, one of the things that we emphasize. For example, we have a gut module, right?

[00:13:44] Dr. Ted Achacoso: Uh, where, uh, and an exposomics module, you know, for your topal uh, exposure, which shows how the liver detoxify. So if we've, uh, I think, uh, more recently become more, you know. Practical in terms of the application or the things that we learned in biochemistry. Right. Uh, I, 

[00:14:04] Dr. Allen Bookatz: I guess that was another thing, Ted, is I, I was also very excited to never have to revisit biochemistry.

[00:14:09] Dr. Allen Bookatz: I was like, thank God I'm an ER doctor. I got basic stuff. I, you know, all that basic sciences I can just forget, you know, and now I'm. 

[00:14:17] Dr. Scott Sherr: Right back, back to basics. Oh yeah. Jody. Jody, I wanna hear from you. 

[00:14:23] Jodi Duval: Oh, me. Okay. Well, 10 years ago I was actually pregnant with my second, but, so that was, that was an interesting time.

[00:14:32] Jodi Duval: Um, did you 

[00:14:32] Dr. Scott Sherr: like to be pregnant? Were you like one of those women that loved to be pregnant or one of those people that didn't like you? One was women that didn't like to be pregnant. 

[00:14:37] Jodi Duval: I, I really love being pregnant. I would be pregnant again if I didn't have to then put up with the sleepless nights and the shitty nappies.

[00:14:46] Jodi Duval: And yeah, I really enjoyed being pregnant. The whinging. 

[00:14:50] Boomer Anderson: I love that Australian word. It's so 

[00:14:51] Jodi Duval: good. Winging, I need to use that 

[00:14:54] Boomer Anderson: more. Can we, can we translate that for 

[00:14:57] Dr. Scott Sherr: most of the audience 

[00:14:58] Jodi Duval: whining? 

[00:14:59] Dr. Scott Sherr: A winey [00:15:00] 

[00:15:00] Jodi Duval: might. Yeah. It's the 

[00:15:01] Dr. Scott Sherr: greatest. I, I, I need to bring that back. I just, I learned it when I was in Australia way back, but 

[00:15:06] Jodi Duval: ing Yeah.

[00:15:06] Jodi Duval: I forget what, what, what is cross, cross language or not. Yeah. But yeah, so much winging. But yeah, so 10 years ago I was coming into a phase where I was now understanding that vegan. Wasn't the pinnacle of all diets because I was vegan for some time and I was treating clients, and I was wondering what the hell was going on and why everyone was tired and failing and starting to get.

[00:15:31] Jodi Duval: Not, not improving their health whatsoever by being on this amazing, so-called, um, plant-based diet. So yeah, that was a, that was a huge turning point for me, especially with observation with my clients. So I was lecturing at the time as well. I was lecturing with this huge belly, walking upstairs and trying to chat to my students about maybe why we shouldn't be being vegan anymore.

[00:15:55] Jodi Duval: Um, and telling our clients, you know, and trying to teach them that meat is medicine. But the main parts of that I found was, um, the essential fatty acids. You know, so that's sort of like the, the key, um, shifts for me was understanding obviously, um, more of the biochemistry surrounding it. So I was diving in a lot deeper.

[00:16:14] Jodi Duval: Um, and hence why I found Home Hope, um, in that now we know why we need to be eating a, a much broader and having a, a testing and an understanding of what is required in our. Our cells. So the, the conversion of a LA, that was a myth that was, um, you know, told to the vegan story quite a lot. The other, um, component that I noticed was more of the trine and the magnesium link.

[00:16:43] Jodi Duval: So, you know, knowing that magnesium homeostasis and trines involved in that and then, you know, regulating that intracellular magnesium transport and sort of coming to terms with that. And so that was a huge, big. Big flag in the sand for me, and then vitamin A and a lot of my deep work and, and research into iron metabolism.

[00:17:03] Jodi Duval: So there was a lot of the, the vitamin A piece and iron, obviously the heme and non-heme was, is the, the a, a huge component of that. Um, so yeah, it was a, it was a fascinating time. So I started to, I think it was, uh, I went traveling and I was like, you know what? I feel like some. Some, I think it was brisket and I was like, I'm gonna have some brisket dive, dive into some brisket.

[00:17:26] Jodi Duval: That's awesome. I was never turning back after that. Um, so Bri brisket was, it broke you. Yeah. That's awesome. 

[00:17:33] Boomer Anderson: I love it. Brisket broke you. I mean, if there's good brisket, I mean, come on. 

[00:17:38] Jodi Duval: Boom. Was eating boomer making Oh, good. Yeah. Oh my gosh. It 

[00:17:41] Boomer Anderson: would be a pretty good brisket. Yeah, 

[00:17:43] Jodi Duval: yeah, yeah. But separate to vegan, it was actually probiotics as well.

[00:17:47] Jodi Duval: I used, I used to always believe that, um, well, not always, but we were told that the probiotics would heal everything. It would be at a get into the gut and like offer, it goes, it was gonna do our work and so. Time to [00:18:00] realize that now it's just this transient. They're more about signaling, it's not about colonization, and we need a multitude of factors to actually support the gut, so the gut immune module get to it.

[00:18:13] Jodi Duval: Very important. 

[00:18:14] Dr. Scott Sherr: How long were you vegan for Jodi overall? 

[00:18:17] Jodi Duval: Oh, I did the wildest things. I lived in London and I was raw vegan, raw vegan raw. And I was raw vegan. For 

[00:18:25] Boomer Anderson: you were, were you a David Wolf fan? 

[00:18:27] Jodi Duval: I was Okay. Yes, I was. Yeah, 

[00:18:29] Boomer Anderson: I get that, that, that tracks. Okay. 

[00:18:32] Jodi Duval: I partied, I partied with, um, David Wolf in cacao parties back in the day.

[00:18:37] Jodi Duval: Oh, that was fun. Um, a good friend of mine, Damien Donahue, is actually really good friends with David. So we, um, we ended up seeing him quite a bit, but. Is, um, I did raw vegan and I was doing a lot of this cleansing. It was just like detox, detox, detox, cleanse, cleanse, cleanse. So it was bentonite clay in the morning was my first drink, and then I would wait two hours, then I would eat.

[00:19:01] Jodi Duval: Dates and nuts. And then I would make myself some non cooked food that was vegan. Um, yeah, it was the, in ingenuity of a human to create something and to, to, to go along with a, a theme and to, to 100%. I give myself that, but it's not always my, my husband. He shrunk down to about 40 kilos less in that time.

[00:19:33] Jodi Duval: Yeah. So yeah, that was a rebound. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I was, I was vegan total. Total. In total, I think about six years actually. 

[00:19:44] Boomer Anderson: Wow. I, I tried ones, Jody, I was vegan for like six days. It didn't, yeah, 

[00:19:49] Dr. Jup Kuipers: it was that after the game Changers. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I 

[00:19:52] Boomer Anderson: think, uh, and I don't even know if I told you this before, but like, Bessy and I tried it for a few days and I think after a few days I put on, I actually put on weight going vegan, um, uh, and couldn't figure it out for the life of me and how long Also just didn't feel great.

[00:20:09] Boomer Anderson: So bring back, bring back the meat. 

[00:20:12] Dr. Jup Kuipers: Saying, took me a week to, yeah. Stop it again. 

[00:20:15] Dr. Allen Bookatz: I think I went to, went to someone's house that was vegan and they opened up like a bag of lace potato chips and, and I was like, we're eating that and 

[00:20:27] Boomer Anderson: or, so if you really wanna. Screw with them and they're drinking wine. You can talk to them at like my lactic fermentation and all that stuff.

[00:20:36] Boomer Anderson: S the yeast. Oh, meat. What is my lactic fermentation? What is that you use? You can use, I think it, I can't remember. It's lactase or whatever the enzyme is. They use it for fermenting and it's technically not vegan. Uh, gotcha. So if somebody's listening to this and wants to get upset with me, that's okay. 

[00:20:54] Dr. Scott Sherr: I was remembering actually.

[00:20:55] Dr. Scott Sherr: In 2015. I did my first three day fast that year too. Wow. [00:21:00] You're so trendy. I know. I really was. I really was. Um, this is when I started getting trendy, um, before it was cool to be trendy. I don't know. Um, before the, I, I didn't even know Instagram existed at that point in my life, by the way. So now look what?

[00:21:12] Dr. Scott Sherr: Look at you now. Look at you Now. I know how difference, difference 10 years makes. Um, but yeah, I remember, I remember actually really. Enjoying it. Uh, I some, for some reason, my family wasn't there. I, and that's very unusual. At that point, I would've had. Like for three kids, probably in 2015, I think about all four.

[00:21:31] Dr. Scott Sherr: Yeah. Yeah. No, you weren't. They're all, they're all shouting at at me right now. Shouting, shouting at me. Recorded a podcast 

[00:21:40] Boomer Anderson: without interruption. Exactly. 

[00:21:41] Dr. Scott Sherr: Yeah. That's, that's not gonna happen anymore. But, um, yeah, I did the three day fast. I remember it being really difficult, uh, the first 48 hours, but then like that 72 that allowed that third day was just.

[00:21:52] Dr. Scott Sherr: It was almost transformative in some ways. It was kind of like a spiritual experience, you know, for me. 'cause I didn't even know what that kind of experience could be, you know, having this clarity and I was like, wow, this is very cool. So I ended up doing them at that point, like every quarter for a year or two before I stopped as much.

[00:22:07] Dr. Scott Sherr: So 

[00:22:07] Boomer Anderson: you guys are all giving me so many reminders of what it was like to be me 10 years ago, so, so let's hear it, man. 

[00:22:13] Dr. Scott Sherr: Come on. 

[00:22:13] Boomer Anderson: Yeah. Can I, can I start with the positives first? So, 

[00:22:17] Jodi Duval: become positive, negative. 

[00:22:19] Boomer Anderson: So, uh, 2015 was the year that I, I guess I started investing more in health other than having an annual physical.

[00:22:25] Boomer Anderson: Um, so, uh, prior to that I did the whole working out thing, but the objective was more about just looking good naked, to be fair. Um. So my annual physical in 2015, it always started with a doctor asking me like, how much alcohol do you drink? And uh, even in 2015 the answer was just sort of like, do you really wanna know?

[00:22:45] Boomer Anderson: Um, but I was strict paleo and keto for three quarters of the day, and my body fat actually measured via DEXA at 11%, which was shocking, giving all the other stuff I tell you. Um, where to start. So, okay. We'll start with the, we'll start with the, yeah. I'm gonna have a therapy session, guys. Gimme a second.

[00:23:07] Boomer Anderson: I'm gonna start breaking down. All right. So tell us when it'll, again, great. Yeah. So at this point in my life, uh, I was living in Singapore. I was on a plane at least twice a week, and never in the time, same time zone for more than three days. Um, I was sleeping four to six hours a night. Uh, again, traveling all over the world.

[00:23:28] Boomer Anderson: At this point I was in Europe once a month. I was in the United States five, six times a year. Um, and then various parts of Southeast Asia, my daily regimen. Started with uh, one liter of butter coffee with MCT oil Now. Why was this a good idea? Of course, because I, I wanted to be trendy and do the intermittent fasting thing, but thought that having a liter of bulletproof coffee would make me fast as well.

[00:23:58] Boomer Anderson: Um, the problem with [00:24:00] doing one liter of bulletproof coffee is that at that time I was also doing CrossFit com, nearly competitive athlete in CrossFit six times a week. There's a, I remember this is sort of a 2015 highlight. Uh, there's an exercise or a workout called Fran, where you do, uh, 21 15 9 of pull-ups in what's called a thruster.

[00:24:18] Boomer Anderson: And a thruster is a squat with a barbell and you push overhead when you go up. And I had just had that leader Bulletproof coffee right before doing Fran, um, Fran at that point would take me sub four minutes to do I. I ended up bailing on the workout. 'cause in the middle of it I had to go to the bathroom.

[00:24:39] Boomer Anderson: Right. It turns out that this, this squat thrust movement is very conducive to also bowel movements. So, um, yeah, and, and projectile vomiting. Um, so one red colonics. Yeah. Here we go. Round, round two. Yeah. This is before I even know what a colonic was. Um, so. Around this time. Also on the positive side, I was starting to invest more time in health.

[00:25:03] Boomer Anderson: I actually knew what a DEXA scan was. I was going and doing all these quantified self experiments. This is actually the time around the time I met Bob, Troy of all people, uh, and started playing around with, there's like this esoteric quantified self forum where like people would post what they were doing and then all of us would comment on it.

[00:25:22] Boomer Anderson: And me just sitting there, I would try most of these things. Um. But I had probably a, a bonafide drinking problem. I was going out four or five times a week entertaining people. Uh, at this time I did also decide that I, I'm glad you went ahead with that intermittent fasting point, Scott, because at this time I decided that my stress was actually through the roof, and that in order to make it better, I would do intermittent fasting.

[00:25:48] Boomer Anderson: Which by the way, for anybody listening to this, like the thing that you can do to fuck yourself up big time is that if you're stressed outta your mind, go ahead and intermittent fast. And so around this time, I also had like three or four panic attacks just because of doing stupid shit like this. Um, so.

[00:26:06] Boomer Anderson: Sleeping four to six hours a night, traveling all the time, CrossFit six times a week. I was actually a pretty good athlete still at that time. Um, and you know, sort of strict keto paleo three quarters of the day. Um, quantified self experiments. And then on top of that I thought, because I heard this famous podcaster say that he was taking high dose selenium and it made 'em feel great that I was gonna take high-dose selenium too.

[00:26:29] Boomer Anderson: Uh, with zero reason for taking high-dose selenium. Right. Uh, so I think I took something like 600 micrograms a day, which is sort of three times what you probably wanna take, uh, for a while. And I don't know, luckily, you know, when I finally did a heavy metals test, uh, a number of years later, uh, it didn't really screw with me that much, but.

[00:26:51] Boomer Anderson: You asked a simple question, Jody, at the beginning, which was like, what did you do 10 years ago? And let me just actually read the actual [00:27:00] question 'cause it was kind of funny. Uh, you know, the topic would be things we believe 10 years ago and what's changed. So what's changed? I like, I, I look at this and say, why did I think any of this shit was a good idea?

[00:27:11] Boomer Anderson: Um, and that's really where I, I sit, right, because, um, well. I know you guys like to think I'm a coffee fiend, but even then I was stopped drinking coffee by 2:00 PM Uh, but I was drinking a con, consuming a ton of butter coffee, and yeah, that was sort of a breakthrough year for me. It doesn't sound like it, but by the end of it, it became somewhat of a breakthrough year.

[00:27:34] Boomer Anderson: Yeah. Um, yeah. Yeah. But I was trying all your. Except for the vegan thing, I couldn't do that. Um, but 

[00:27:41] Dr. Scott Sherr: Selenium's such an interesting one. Yeah, 

[00:27:42] Boomer Anderson: yeah, yeah. It was a very famous podcaster. He is still sort of top 10 podcaster out there. Uh, he was claiming that Selenium made him feel like he was on cocaine, and I was like, oh, that sounds great.

[00:27:52] Boomer Anderson: Uh, I've never done cocaine for the record. Like I've never done cocaine in my life. And I don't know. Now just knowing a little bit more about biochemistry, I don't know how that would happen, uh, but. Probably not a good thing for your biochemistry is my guess. No, no. I wonder, did you just open up the Selenium and just like do a line with it or 

[00:28:09] Dr. Allen Bookatz: something?

[00:28:10] Dr. Allen Bookatz: Is that 

[00:28:11] Boomer Anderson: There was definitely an affiliate commission on Connected. So at this point I also, so at this point by the way, I was learning a little bit more. I didn't know, as much as I know about the world of marketing now, is that all of these people got paid affiliate commissions for the things that they recommended.

[00:28:24] Boomer Anderson: Mm-hmm. So I'd stack up with like all these fucking raam all over the place and like, uh, just a bunch of things that I didn't know how to do. I did. Okay, the dismount to 2015, I, I did discover one of my favorite, uh, neutropics of all time, which is Modafinil. Um, and that was because my poor doctor thought that, uh, jet lag was equivalent to shift work, and so therefore was able to prescribe it for me.

[00:28:50] Boomer Anderson: So, yeah, there were some positives, there were some negatives, but overall, guys, I, I made it through and, you know, learned a lot about my body in the process. You 

[00:28:58] Dr. Ted Achacoso: guys remember that in 2015, uh, you guys remember this, the vogue was frequent small feedings for meals. Remember that? Oh yeah. It's like, uh, you know, eat like a diabetic, you frequent coffee, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

[00:29:12] Dr. Ted Achacoso: And actually what had happened was what? You were spiking your insulin all the time. So, uh. And, and then, um, when, uh, intermittent, uh, fasting was introduced, I actually introduced a different type of, uh, uh, intermittent fasting fu time restricted feeding, right? I wanted my patients to be able to remember, you know, not the days in the week that they're going to be fasted, but rather that that hours of the day that they were going to be fed.

[00:29:42] Dr. Ted Achacoso: So I called it the feeding window. Right, because time restricted means, mm-hmm. Feeding means like, oh my God, that's so deprivate of, uh, the eating experience. So, so, uh, I, I, I wanted to be able to tell my patients, okay, can you, because, uh, the one thing that they, they, um, you [00:30:00] know, they were asking me about frequent small feeding and all of that.

[00:30:02] Dr. Ted Achacoso: And then I said, you know, it all started with the. Mitochondria, right? Uh, that mitochondrial biogenesis, uh, occurs after 12 hours of fasting. So, uh, that's where I started because the patients would actually say, I can't change the way I eat. Immediately, but I can change the time that I eat, and that's a very good handle to, to begin, you know, um, uh, restricting your feeding window the first 12 hours and then, uh, and, and, and then 10 hours, and then finally an eight hour feeding window.

[00:30:36] Dr. Ted Achacoso: And it has been, for me, in my travels, it has been my saving grace, right? Um, I, I would. Probably be a blimp right now if I didn't follow my, uh, feeding window restriction of eight hours, you know? Mm-hmm. Uh, and you know, it's a one single thing in, in, uh, in the, aside from sleep, of course, you know, one, one single thing that I follow is my, uh, feeding window.

[00:31:00] Dr. Ted Achacoso: And, you know, and that was coming from a time when like, yeah, it's better to do, you know, frequent small feedings. It's like, okay. 

[00:31:10] Dr. Allen Bookatz: Look, looking back, ancestral Ted, like, is there any, are there any cultures where they're like, we're just gonna like continuously eat through the day instead of 

[00:31:19] Dr. Ted Achacoso: No. No.

[00:31:20] Dr. Ted Achacoso: Evolutionary, yeah. They, they, they do. First you have to find the food. Yeah. That's what they wrote about the Pima Indians in Arizona. That's why 90% of them are diabetic. Right. Uh, before the introduction of the Western diet. Availability of food 24 7. They were used to feast and famine because that's how the environment was.

[00:31:44] Dr. Ted Achacoso: Either they were feasting all the time, and then they, they would go through period of famine where they would actually shed their fat and then they would feast again. But then when 24 7 eating, uh, came about, then you saw, uh, you know, the, the diabetes rates actually rising and so on. And that's very well, uh, documented.

[00:32:04] Dr. Ted Achacoso: Uh, and you know, because there was so much to do aside from eat, you know, uh, you know, first you have to gather your own food. So, so, so there was really none of that kind of, uh, gorging except when your culture is actually a feast salmon type of culture. 

[00:32:24] Boomer Anderson: So anyway, all right. I think it's time to dismount, Jody.

[00:32:30] Jodi Duval: Thanks. Bye. We've had some very interesting, we've had Pokemon, we've had bench presses and diarrhea. We 

[00:32:39] Boomer Anderson: thrusters, thrusters, Yiddish thrust expressions. Yiddish expressions. 

[00:32:44] Jodi Duval: We've had juice cleansers. Which, by the way, I did a 20 day juice smoothie cleanse when I was in naturopathic school, and I, I almost gave myself diabetes.

[00:32:59] Jodi Duval: I swear I did. [00:33:00] Yeah. I was gonna 

[00:33:00] Boomer Anderson: ask what your blood sugar was. Did they do before and after blood sugar on this? 

[00:33:04] Ah, 

[00:33:04] Jodi Duval: I should have. I didn't. That would've been very dangerous, but it didn't feel good anyway. Mm. So we, we have explored quite a lot today, so thank you all for listening. I think it's nice to reflect back on the last 10 years, and especially because Home Hope, um, had, its had its birth almost around that time.

[00:33:23] Jodi Duval: It's been actually a bit longer, but it's been 2009 over 10 years. Yeah, over 10 years. Of experimentation and foundation and now teaching the next up and coming incredible practitioners and doctors. So we couldn't be prouder. And I'm sure Dr. Ted, you couldn't be prouder either. What we've achieved so far.

[00:33:44] Jodi Duval: Yeah, yeah. 

[00:33:44] Dr. Ted Achacoso: Well, all these years of frustration and teaching physicians of healthcare practitioners, you know, and then suddenly it's like everything that you were teaching, you know, uh, you know, in 2009, it's finally. Oh, it's finally here. Finally believe here. 

[00:34:01] Jodi Duval: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It was all caught up. It's funny how fast things can move over, over, you know, 10 years plus.

[00:34:08] Jodi Duval: So it's a nice look back. So thank you all for being here, the team back together on the podcast and um, until next time, we'll see you with our next funny episode. 

[00:34:22] Boomer Anderson: Bye. Take everybody.

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