In this episode of the Smarter Not Harder Podcast, Garrett Salpeter gives us one-cent solutions to life’s $64,000 questions that include:

• How does the body’s electrical system influence recovery, performance, and long-term physical function?

• What role does the nervous system play in injury rehabilitation, and how can technologies like direct current stimulation enhance healing?

• How can muscle mapping and bioelectric feedback be used to improve strength, proprioception, and neuromuscular coordination without traditional resistance training?

• What is the potential of electroceuticals in bridging the gap between rehabilitation and peak performance in clinical and athletic settings?

Who is Garrett Salpeter?

What did Garrett and Boomer discuss?

00:00 Welcome to the Smarter Not Harder Podcast
01:33 Guest Introduction: Garrett Salpeter (NeuFit Founder)
04:21 From Engineering to Physiology
07:31 The Body’s Electrical System
09:38 Nervous System & Injury Recovery
12:48 What Is the Perineural Network?
15:51 Salamanders & Regeneration
18:05 Bioelectricity in Human Healing
19:12 DC vs AC: Why It Matters
24:26 Medical Uses of Direct Current
27:03 Nervous System and Performance
31:45 Muscle Mapping & Quick Results
33:18 From Rehab to Peak Performance
35:11 Muscle Activation Without Heavy Weights
44:52 Proprioception: The Brain-Body Link
45:45 Emotional Tension Stored in the Body
46:26 EMS vs Neubie: What’s the Difference?
50:38 The Future of Electroceuticals
55:16 Garrett’s Top Health Optimization Tip
57:32 Closing Thoughts + Where to Find Garrett

Full Transcript:

[00:00:00] Garrett Salpeter: I look forward to finally being able to use some of these principles from the Body Electric to use electric fields to precisely modulate and guide. The healing process in the body. I think that it's, it's possible to have salamander like regenerative properties in humans. I don't know if that's the next five years or the next 15 years.

[00:00:24] Garrett Salpeter: One of the things that I, I, I, I think that's true what I'm consciously even probably more aware of. Is really leading the, the conversation in this nervous system first approach and really helping people think about the software at least as prominently or at least as early in the rehabilitation process as they think about the hardware.

[00:00:43] Garrett Salpeter: Where we've been in this model of a very hardware dominant, hardware focused paradigm where the interventions are focused on the structures and tissues of the body. So that's where I think about and the electro piece. The electrical piece of that sort of dovetails with it, but I'm, I'm excited for that.

[00:01:10] Boomer Anderson: Welcome back everyone to the Smarter Not Harder podcast. I'm your host today, boomer Anderson, and it seems like I come back on the podcast as a host, oftentimes to interview people that I have the pleasure of calling friends. And today that continues to be the case. The interview that you're gonna hear was recorded a couple of days ago between myself.

[00:01:33] Boomer Anderson: And a good friend who now resides in Austin, Texas, Garrett Salpeter and Garrett Salpeter is the founder. Of new fit and the creator of the newbie, one of a personal favorite of my devices in this health space, and Gary's story goes way back to 2007, where he suffered from all kinds of injuries related to a a mutually favorite sport, ice hockey.

[00:01:57] Boomer Anderson: And he used. His knowledge of physics, engineering, and so many other things to basically rebuild his body, um, using direct current machines, devices that later became the newbie. This episode is. A diving into this emerging world of what we'll call electroceuticals or just, uh, the use of electricity and DC currents as well as ac currents to improve health.

[00:02:28] Boomer Anderson: Uh, we talk about the work of Robert Becker and something that you guys may. Might have heard of called the Body Electric. We get into a Soviet training methodology referenced in super training, and then we go into the different use cases of. Direct current as well as, uh, other forms of electricity for healing the body.

[00:02:55] Boomer Anderson: This includes things like nervous system, resets, physical therapy, [00:03:00] and so much more. If you enjoyed this conversation, please smash or give us a, like, subscribe on YouTube, follow us on all the social medias, and leave a five star rating on iTunes or Apple Podcasts wherever you're listening to this. Let's get on to my conversation with Garrett Salpeter.

[00:03:19] Boomer Anderson: Garrett Salpeter, welcome to the SNH Podcast. Thank you Boer. One of my favorite times to host this show is when I've known somebody for a long time and can start off with just simple questions like, uh, what do you expect the Bears record to be this year? 

[00:03:37] Garrett Salpeter: I, I predict they're going to break the 500 barrier and actually have a winning record this year.

[00:03:43] Garrett Salpeter: I'm feeling, feeling bullish. I got to work with Caleb Williams a little bit this off season, which was a very cool experience, but, uh, with him and. The new coach, coach Johnson there, I'm, I'm feeling optimistic 

[00:03:56] Boomer Anderson: and I, I have to say that there's a little bit of a jealousy bone that's, uh, tickling me right now because as a lifelong Bears fan, which has been painful, uh, you know, you still would like to get to meet somebody that's a franchise player like Caleb.

[00:04:13] Boomer Anderson: Um, but I wanna dive into. Your work, what you do, uh, with new fit. But first, I mean, take us through the history of Garrett and how you kind of came to focusing on the body. Because if I, if I remember correctly, your backgrounds in engineering, right? How does, uh, you know, take us through engineering, what you focused on, and then what was sort of that, that light bulb moment where you said.

[00:04:45] Boomer Anderson: Hey, I think I can help people. Uh, what really triggered that for you? 

[00:04:51] Garrett Salpeter: There definitely was, uh, a few of those moments along the way for me. I, I'm, I feel so grateful to have found this intersection where my academic interests in engineering and neuroscience overlap with this passion I had for physiology.

[00:05:07] Garrett Salpeter: And for you, SERS, listening to this, you know, if, if you're a provider, you likely have. Yeah. Something that that got you interested in physiology and fascinated with the human body. And for me it was my time growing up as an athlete. I played ice hockey growing up in the Chicagoland area. 

[00:05:24] Boomer Anderson: Mm. 

[00:05:24] Garrett Salpeter: And I 

[00:05:25] Boomer Anderson: What position, again, remind 

[00:05:27] Garrett Salpeter: me, I played mostly defense.

[00:05:29] Garrett Salpeter: I, me too, in high school, a couple years I played, played offense, you know, put score a few goals back then, but, and, and so for me it was this, this love of that sport. That actually motivated me, inspired me to start reading about strength and conditioning and learning about speed, like speed training and how to get faster.

[00:05:51] Garrett Salpeter: Because for me, that was sort of the limiting factor for me. And so I, I got really fascinated with this notion that I [00:06:00] could put in the work and achieve a result and improve myself and build up my body and become better and more skilled. And so I got really, really interested in that. And then. Fast forward to college.

[00:06:10] Garrett Salpeter: I ended up playing, you know, division three college hockey, you know, pretty good. Even then, I was mostly a practice squad player and, you know, stuff like that. But, but I had this amazing experience where I had some torn ligaments. I had this injury and I was told I was gonna have to have surgery to repair them.

[00:06:28] Garrett Salpeter: And I met a doctor who was doing functional neurology and using older versions of direct current, so it was like older electrical device with analog dials and stuff like that. And I, I did some of these treatments and I was just blown away. My ligaments healed on their own. In a few weeks, I was able to avoid surgery and I was, you know, relieved and, and really pleased and, and happy to be back out on the ice and avoid surgery.

[00:06:55] Garrett Salpeter: Right. As, as an athlete. But also as a physics major, as a pre-engineering student, to find something that made sense scientifically from first principles. That's, that's what really got me excited, that really spoke to me and it created within me this calling to take this work and, and share it with as many people as I could.

[00:07:15] Garrett Salpeter: And I had no idea at the time that it would e eventually turn into. You know, creating a, a patented medical device and launching a company to share that with the world and things like that. But it was, it was really that moment that set me off on this path. 

[00:07:31] Boomer Anderson: So I want to go into that for a second, because when a lot of us listening to this think about health, we think about nutrient networks of the body balancing our hormones, but we may not think about.

[00:07:48] Boomer Anderson: Sort of the electrical currents of the body, and maybe if you can give us a little bit of a primer on. You know, how the, this functional neurologist and what they were teaching you with direct current or whatever, how that plays a role in the body. Because on the show we've had, we've had like Dr. Ted talk to Michael Levin who's doing some fantastic or very interesting stuff with electrical currents.

[00:08:15] Boomer Anderson: But, uh, take us through a little bit about. You know, electrical currents, how they influence the body. And I, I mean, look, that alone could be a PhD dissertation, uh, and probably several PhDs dissertations, but many people may not think about the body as an electrical current electric series of electrical currents.

[00:08:35] Boomer Anderson: And so how did this functional neurologist. Educate you, and how have you educated yourself about that and what have you concluded? 

[00:08:46] Garrett Salpeter: There's a lot, a lot to it here in terms of my experience. Part of why it, it impacted me so significantly was the contrast that I experienced between that and [00:09:00] the prior.

[00:09:01] Garrett Salpeter: Experiences I had with traditional physical therapy, traditional orthopedic medicine, where it was more, you know, wear this brace, you know, take this anti-inflammatory, get this surgery. You know, there was never any mention of the nervous system, nor was there any mention of the body's, you know, innate ability that we all have to, to heal, to recover, to adapt, to grow, you know, all these, all these different.

[00:09:26] Garrett Salpeter: Different areas that I just, I didn't know how to articulate at the time, but I did feel like something was missing. I felt, you know, disenfranchised disappointed. And so when I had this experience with all that in the background, it hit me even harder. And so that sort of epiphany of how important the nervous system is, how important the electrical system is in the body, that's part of what inspired me to then, you know, after engineering, I went and did additional graduate work here also at the University of Texas in Austin.

[00:09:52] Garrett Salpeter: Uh. In neuroscience, and it's a, it's a big part of what we do. So, so you as an SNH listener, you know, are likely a practitioner and, and already know, of course, that the nervous system sends electrical signals and those are action potentials. And when they reach the end of the axon and they act on the next cell, they cause a release of various chemicals.

[00:10:15] Garrett Salpeter: So we are electrochemical beings, and as you also know, most interventions are targeted chemically. We can also, however, go upstream and work electrically. And so when thinking about the nervous system, I think it's really useful to think about two components to that. I think all, even, even even before that, I think it's important to, to use this framework of thinking about hardware and software.

[00:10:39] Garrett Salpeter: You know, you're familiar with computers. There's the hardware of the computer, right? There's the monitor that you look at the keyboard, you type into the, the speaker, all the processors inside, all the transistors, resistors, capacitors. I. And then there's the software that tells the hardware what to do.

[00:10:55] Garrett Salpeter: And so we we're the same in our bodies, right? We have bones, muscles, tendons, ligaments, discs, organs. Then there's the software that the electrical signals. Or electrochemical signals, yes. But the electrical signals that, that tell them what to do, so, okay. Nothing, nothing new for you there, but that framework I think is useful.

[00:11:12] Garrett Salpeter: And then within the software side, there's the nervous system that we know a lot about with the electro, with the action potentials. And then there's also this slower varying perineural system that's in the fascial connective tissue scaffolding that matrix around the nerves, and both are relevant and important to healing.

[00:11:33] Garrett Salpeter: You know, in, in neuroscience I studied a lot and, and you know about the muscle inhibition or, or protective guarding that happens in response to injury. And so that's super relevant because when you are, when you have trauma, like I had these torn ligaments, the muscles around it, some of them are gonna be, be tightening and guarding to try to brace that area and reduce movement.

[00:11:57] Garrett Salpeter: Others are gonna be shut down again with an eye towards [00:12:00] reducing movement. It's part of this protective suite of. Neurological patterns there. And what that does is that excess tension, for example, can reduce blood flow and it can make muscles less able to move to accommodate force and and protect that area as it heals.

[00:12:17] Garrett Salpeter: So that's relevant there locally for supporting or not supporting healing, and then also the nervous system globally. You also know about the autonomic nervous system, you know, the sympathetic parasympathetic, and for growth and repair. To happen, we need to have enough time in that parasympathetic dominant state, right?

[00:12:35] Garrett Salpeter: So there's, there's ways to, to find, for example, where the nervous system is imposing those patterns locally, you know, through especially direct current electrical stimulation. Also ways to help shift the autonomic nervous system. And then there's also this, this perineural system, which, which I don't even really talk about as much, but to get a complete picture.

[00:12:55] Garrett Salpeter: It's very useful. So some of you know, you, you may have heard of a book called The Body Electric by Robert Becker 

[00:13:03] Boomer Anderson: and you're stealing my next question, but keep going. 

[00:13:07] Garrett Salpeter: And, and in that, in that book he talks about, and this is from the late 1980s, he talks about this current of injury or charge of injury that happens in this perineural system, the scaffolding around the axons, around the nerves, and it too conducts charge the.

[00:13:25] Garrett Salpeter: The action potentials are more like a binary on, off or digital, you know, on, off, on, off, on, off. Whereas this is slower, varying, more like a background biasing electric field. And one fascinating part about this perineural system is that whenever there's trauma locally in the body, it creates this charge of injury or current of injury.

[00:13:43] Garrett Salpeter: It creates this electric field that actually guides the healing process. It will, you know, like, like we know for example. Brady, kinin and other, other, um, inflammatory markers, o other inflammatory cells and molecules are negatively charged. And then some are gonna be positively charged and they're gonna be drawn in certain directions by that electric field.

[00:14:03] Garrett Salpeter: And so that actually influences, you could even say controls or guides the healing process, the macrophages coming in to, to clear out debris. And then the subsequent rebuilding of, you know, in most cases some scar tissue or. You know, hopefully healthier tissue. And then there's a fascinating fast, so, so we as humans and other more complex organisms like, you know, frogs and all other mammals have this process.

[00:14:32] Garrett Salpeter: And then if you contrast that process to salamanders. There's a fascinating, sorry, there's a little bit of a tangent, but fascinating. No, no, keep going. Fascinating shift. 

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[00:15:50] Garrett Salpeter: When you, when you look at. What happens to a salamander for the first five to seven days?

[00:15:54] Garrett Salpeter: The electric field that happened, if you amputate their limb, salamanders are the most complex organism, most complex animal that can regenerate entire limbs. So if you, if you amputate a salamander's limb for the first five to seven days, their electric field is gonna be the same as ours. To guide that early healing process, but then it abruptly shifts significantly in the opposite direction and it actually triggers this, this amazing regenerative process that includes cell D differentiation.

[00:16:25] Garrett Salpeter: That electric field, actually, I. Controls cells, so it's different cells, especially in this case, red blood cells, but I, I think even other ones do too. They de differentiate back into stem cells so that they can become the tissues and structures of that new limb. And the electric field actually guides. It tells those new stem cells where to go, where to deposit.

[00:16:47] Garrett Salpeter: And what types of cells to become. And scientists know this because if you artificially change, if you apply a different electric field and you block it or amplify it, you actually change the outcomes of this. You can get a salamander to grow an arm where it had a tail or stuff like that by changing the electric field.

[00:17:02] Garrett Salpeter: So there's this amazing. Do kind of dual nature to the software. One is it sends these signals, action potentials, you know, to control immediate function. And then there's also this other nature of the electric fields that is, that's working more in the background to control healing and regenerative processes.

[00:17:25] Garrett Salpeter: And in both cases they are. Direct current, and we're actually working to, to attempt to tap into both of those components of that underlying electrical control system. Both the the faster immediate action potential control system, and then that slower varying electric field influencing the healing process.

[00:17:48] Boomer Anderson: So. Because, uh, look, we've covered this lightly in another podcast on SNH and it was more at a, an academic level and some of the work that Michael Levin is directly doing. But, uh, I wanna dive [00:18:00] into this whole bioelectrical understanding of the human body. Um, where are we in understanding that role of bioelectricity and healing?

[00:18:10] Boomer Anderson: Because you mentioned salamanders a lot, you mentioned various other or frogs. What do we know, uh, about humans healing and bioelectricity at this moment? Because it, it seems, I mean, I've known you for a long time, you've been doing a lot of work in this, but where are we on sort of the continuum of knowledge?

[00:18:33] Garrett Salpeter: That's a great question, and unfortunately, my first part of the answer is going to be to say that we're not as far along as I wish or as far as long as I believe we should be. When you consider that, you know, Robert Becker wrote this book in the late 1980s. 

[00:18:51] Boomer Anderson: Yeah, exactly. Like, what, what, what's happened since the 1980s?

[00:18:55] Boomer Anderson: And, 

[00:18:55] Garrett Salpeter: and not, not nearly as much. And I, I believe that's because we've invested so many resources, scientists, research dollars, uh, so, so many of those resources into more chemical based, you know, pharmaceutical approaches, right? Mm-hmm. You know. Those are sort of the dominant medical paradigm these days and I, you know, this is something that I am very passionate about and we just did a study, for example, that, that I'll mention because it is this, as far as I'm aware, it's the first study to compare head to head in humans, the effects of alternating current versus direct current.

[00:19:36] Garrett Salpeter: So I'll, I'll mention that. I, I'll go into that here because this direct, this notion of using direct current is interesting too. There's some interesting history here. When you look at the field of electrophysiology, you know, if you're, if you think electrophysiology, you likely think of tens units or Russian stem.

[00:19:56] Garrett Salpeter: If you spend a little more time in the field, perhaps you think of inferential or FBS or NMES and. Those are all alternating current signals. Because of this very interesting history I mentioned that the bot, both of these, these faster action potential portion of the nervous system and these slower, varying electric fields that control activity in the background, they both use direct current and there were benefits of using direct current known back around the same time, even earlier, 1960s, 1970s, but there was always this significant problem.

[00:20:29] Garrett Salpeter: Which is when you turn it up to a high enough level to make a, a therapeutic difference in the body, it would literally sting and burn the skin. Mm-hmm. And so it was a case of the proverbial baby being thrown out with the bath water where, where they saw, okay, we can't use this, so so 

[00:20:45] Boomer Anderson: let's go to something easier.

[00:20:46] Garrett Salpeter: Yeah. They just got rid of it all together. And so in its place came all of these alternating current devices 

[00:20:51] Boomer Anderson: and. That, and the problem there is, is not like for like, or what, what would you, what did you kind of gather that the, the huge problem with [00:21:00] all of those are, 

[00:21:00] Garrett Salpeter: so there's a, there's a few. It is because it's not like for, like, as you said, boomer, the, uh, there's a couple things that happen.

[00:21:08] Garrett Salpeter: One is even at lower levels, when you introduce alternating current signals into the body, there is a bit of a shift towards sympathetic activity. There's gonna be a little bit of a stress response because that signal is foreign into the body. Uh, yeah, not just, not just like stress response from, oh, I'm turning it up and it's high.

[00:21:24] Garrett Salpeter: Even at, even at lower levels. I mean there. And then the other is that you or one other, is that you miss out on this ability to apply these direct current electric fields and tap into that other slower varying portion of the electrical system of the body. And then there's also this other component where in terms of the electrical control system, the action potential side of the nervous system, you.

[00:21:48] Garrett Salpeter: When you turn up an alternating current device, the signal goes back and forth positive, negative. That's what alternating means. It goes back and forth. Electrons flow in one direction, then the other. So you end up sending this signal that again, when you turn it up to a high enough level to make a difference in the neuromuscular system, you send a signal that causes agonist, antagonist, co contraction.

[00:22:06] Garrett Salpeter: Where that causes, you know, it'd be like if your bicep and tricep are fighting each other when you're trying to move your arm or, or. If you were driving your car, hitting the throttle and the brake pedal at the same time, there's just a lot of resistance in the body there, and that becomes a limiting factor on how much input, how much power you can get into the body, into the nervous system.

[00:22:24] Garrett Salpeter: So with direct current, you can bypass that stress response. You can bypass the, the co contraction, that internal resistance, and get more, more input signal into the nervous system, especially that sensory afferent side of the nervous system. And then you also have the opportunity to take advantage of these electric fields.

[00:22:44] Garrett Salpeter: So the electric fields we've already talked about are relevant for healing. There's so many interesting examples in the Body Electric. I, I, I go back to that book every couple years and it just fascinates me, excites me every time. Makes me think, have it 

[00:22:55] Boomer Anderson: right over here on my bookshelf. So, yeah. Yeah, 

[00:22:57] Garrett Salpeter: it makes me think like, I really do wish to help to intend to move this field.

[00:23:04] Garrett Salpeter: Further. Uh, and so I'll mention one study that we've done that that's really cool, but one other, one other fascinating part of the book. There's so many, so many interesting examples, but you know, there's this, this underlying polarity in the body where we will have one, one direction of electric field when we're awake and conscious and alert.

[00:23:25] Garrett Salpeter: And then during sleep or deep meditation, it'll actually, it'll switch into the opposite direction Brain. One polarity and then out of the periphery the other. And so with, uh, we, you know, we do one protocol that we call our master reset or our electric meditation. And we actually, we we're stimulating the vagus nerve and there's some, some mechanisms on that action potential side of the nervous system.

[00:23:47] Garrett Salpeter: But we're also using the polarity that's correlated with those deeper states of relaxation. And so I believe, and this is part of your question, of moving the field forward and figuring out how we. Measure this, how we [00:24:00] tap and then then harness that and tap into it and, and start to use this as a path forward in medicine.

[00:24:05] Garrett Salpeter: But one of the things that we do is match that polarity that's associated with the deeper, more restorative, restful states. And, you know, we do see a greater shift in heart rate variability and parasympathetic activity there. So there's, there's a couple really interesting, uh, applications that you know, that, that we're already.

[00:24:25] Garrett Salpeter: Looking at. And, um, and then I, you know, I'll also, I'll, I'll mention this study that I, that I alluded to here. So this study that, that we did with diabetic peripheral neuropathy patients. So you may know I was surprised to find, but you may know that I. That almost 10% of our population has, has peripheral neuropathy in this country alone, that's 30 something million 

[00:24:50] Boomer Anderson: people.

[00:24:50] Boomer Anderson: I actually didn't know that. I knew a lot of people had diabetes, but like Wow. Yeah. Um, that's shocking. 

[00:24:55] Garrett Salpeter: Yeah. So peripheral neuropathy is, you know, essentially, uh, as the, especially if you're a clinician listening to this, you, you already know that, um, there's excess blood sugar or blood sugar dysregulation damages.

[00:25:10] Garrett Salpeter: Micro vasculature, you know, damages blood vessels. First is the micro capillaries, especially down in the periphery, in the feet. And so that diminishes the blood supply to the peripheral nerves, which causes those nerves to atrophy. And so peripheral neuropathy is very common and the, the traditional standard of care, quite frankly, sucks.

[00:25:28] Garrett Salpeter: It's about, you know, symptom management, palliative care, but there's nothing that, that anyone is doing that will genuinely help people restore function, improve their. You know, ability to, to live life and perform at a higher level. So we, we got to do this really fascinating study with 150 diabetic neuropathy patients.

[00:25:48] Garrett Salpeter: 75 of them got traditional alternating current TENS unit, and then 75 got the direct current of the new fit device. And with the 75, who got traditional alternating current. They did have some improvements in pain, right? Some reductions in their pain symptoms, which is good there, you know, there's some benefit there.

[00:26:08] Garrett Salpeter: But that was it. You know, it's what, what most people expected would happen. The other 75 who got the direct current, they actually, not only did they, did they have at least as much, if not more improvement in pain, but they saw increased sensation, they improved their abilities to perform activities of daily living.

[00:26:27] Garrett Salpeter: And with EMG and nerve conduction velocity, we saw improvements. So EMG amplitude improvements, that actually means there's axon regeneration in just two sessions a week for six weeks in a population where this is, you know, unheard of. Yeah, there's improvements in, in nerve conduction velocity, which, which correlates therefore with remyelination.

[00:26:46] Garrett Salpeter: So we're actually seeing how these direct current electric fields are influencing those healing and regenerative processes in the body that we talked about earlier. 

[00:26:55] Boomer Anderson: So you mentioned healing regenera regeneration. You [00:27:00] mentioned, uh, diabetic or peripheral neuropathy. Uh, I wanna talk a little bit about other use cases here and to set the stage.

[00:27:08] Boomer Anderson: I don't even know if you remember this, but when I first met you, it was at, uh, a conference in your homeland of Austin, which, uh, you know, you are a front runner, or sorry, a four. Forerunner, uh, you kind of got to Austin before everybody else decided to move to Austin, but we met at a conference and one of your colleagues this time I was doing power lifting and, you know, he hooked, I had issues with my right, right quadricep.

[00:27:36] Boomer Anderson: He hooked me up, uh, to the new fit and had me go through a handful of exercises and like the way he described it. Was that my quadricep came back online for like the first time in forever. Long as somebody who didn't have the background in education at that time that you did, and I think you even pointed me to Robert Becker's book, but it was just sort of enlightening and how quick it was.

[00:28:06] Boomer Anderson: You also mentioned at the beginning of the show, Caleb, how. Like, what's the continuum of people that you can work with on this device and what do some of those people look like? We've talked a lot about healing and rehab here, but maybe even kind of edging more on the performance side. What does that look like?

[00:28:26] Boomer Anderson: Uh, using. Let's say DC currents or even, you know, ac we can get into sort of the difference between, uh, DC and what people would think of as an EMS as well. 

[00:28:37] Garrett Salpeter: That, that question about the continuum is really good. And then we can talk about where your Yeah. Quad injury and that in your experience fits on there.

[00:28:43] Garrett Salpeter: So we've seen benefits of using this new fit methodology with. Elite professional athletes. You know, I mean, I, I haven't done a ton with Caleb Williams yet, so I'm not, I'm not gonna take credit for anything, but, you know, we've, we've worked a lot with big name athletes like Saquon Barkley, you know, graciously did a video for us and talked about how this helped him recover and turn his quad muscle back on.

[00:29:06] Garrett Salpeter: Of course, he had a huge, yeah, big, big 

[00:29:09] Boomer Anderson: Super 

[00:29:09] Garrett Salpeter: Bowl win last year, right? That's right. Yeah. I'll send you the, I'll send you the link to that. Yeah, video too, boomer. Um, so, you know, some people like, you know, people like Mike Tyson, Carl Anthony Towns, who's, you know, still, still going in the playoffs right now, see?

[00:29:22] Garrett Salpeter: Uh, so there's, there's really amazing things happening there on that sports medicine performance side. And then there's also applications for certainly post-surgery, you know, general population with, you know, low back pain or, or general aches and pains. And then there's also. You know, chronic pain, more, more serious, like complex regional pain syndrome and MS neuropathy, stroke, spinal cord injury, help people recovering from there.

[00:29:50] Garrett Salpeter: And then, you know, general fitness and athletic performance and, and longevity in the, in the sense of muscle building and mobility and healthy movement. And it, it [00:30:00] sounds almost like I'm talking about, well, some sort of panacea, but there is a common thread. Throughout all of those use cases, and that is the nervous system.

[00:30:09] Garrett Salpeter: So when you talk about your quad injury or, or we talk about Saquon Barkley recovering from the knee surgery that he had, you know, a few years ago at the, at the time we're us having this conversation. The, the common thread there is the nervous system. So your, your quad, you were having these issues, quote unquote firing or activating or facilitating.

[00:30:29] Garrett Salpeter: Your quad. And that is because you know your quad. Your quad doesn't just decide not to, not to come to work today, right. It does what the nervous system tells it to do. And so your nervous system is actually imposing some sort of governor limit, limiting protective pattern on there. It's inhibiting that quad for a reason.

[00:30:46] Garrett Salpeter: We have to find what that reason is, and when we do, we are often able to to turn it back on very quickly. So this is more in the action potential side of the nervous system that. More, you know, that people are generally more familiar with you. You know, if you, when you see results in one session, we're not really doing that longer term healing over days or weeks sort of thing.

[00:31:06] Garrett Salpeter: Mm-hmm So, so it's really interesting too, 'cause there's a little bit of an opportunity to, I'll say di diagnose in air quotes, how much of someone's pain or injury is truly structural, how much of it is really based on damage that does need time to heal. Versus how much of it is that functional response, the neurological guarding, inhibition, hypersensitivity, perception of threat that leads to pain deficit and proprioception that causes the body to protect and wanna restrict movement, those sorts of things.

[00:31:36] Garrett Salpeter: And so with your quad, when you see results. In when you see results in one session, you are not. You're not, yeah. It's not that longer term healing. What you're doing is you are helping the nervous system recalibrate, reeducate, helping it understand that it can start to to engage that quad again. So you're either finding something else that was.

[00:31:57] Garrett Salpeter: That was not working properly. That's now a lot like, like for instance, if you have instability in your, in your hip or low back, your nervous system might limit quad activity. 'cause does, doesn't want you to contract hard and put a lot of force through a compromised joint in the hip or lumbar spine or SI joint.

[00:32:15] Garrett Salpeter: So, you know, it could be something like that. Or it could be that you had, you had learned because of trauma or bad habits to reduce activity in your quad. And so sending the signal from there. Is sort of like a form of exposure therapy to help your brain see that it's safe, to allow it to come back online again.

[00:32:29] Garrett Salpeter: So those faster results, that's probably what we're best known for, is this mapping process where, mm-hmm You have to do what I just described. You actually take an electrode and scan around on the body and find where those guarding or protective or inhibitory patterns are being imposed where there's deficits in proprioception.

[00:32:45] Garrett Salpeter: Find, find that so that we can make those. Those breakthroughs, those, those aha moments and help people make progress right away and tell how much of it is functional versus how much is structural. So there's a really cool, really cool component to that. And then [00:33:00] there's also, once you've worked through those neurological limitations, that, that's what I consider to be rehabilitation, you know, is, is finding those, those deficits and bringing them back up to baseline.

[00:33:11] Garrett Salpeter: And then from there. It, there's, there's a question of, okay, how do we now increase the functional capacity of the entire system? How do we bring that baseline up higher? And that's where we get into fitness and performance, you know, depends on what someone's goals are. Some, you know, it might be a very noble goal of just wanting to stay active and, and increase health span and lifespan and longevity and, and be able to maintain muscle mass and be able to move and be active without pain.

[00:33:35] Garrett Salpeter: Right. Or it could be, you know, go have. 2000 yards rushing in an NFL season or, or win a gold medal at the Olympics, whatever it might be. In those cases, the nervous system still applies, but we can do things like. Like work on for, you know, at the high end of elite athletic performance, we can teach certain muscles to contract and relax to increase motor control in certain ranges of motion so we can improve precision or speed of contraction or speed of relaxation.

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[00:35:11] Garrett Salpeter: And then for General Fitness, we can do things like help people, you know, increase their mobility and activation so those new ranges of motion are safe and we can get them to, to recruit more. Motor units so you can get the benefits of weightlifting, but without having to lift as heavy and therefore have as much risk of injury or re-injury.

[00:35:30] Garrett Salpeter: So there's applications there. One interesting. Just on that last topic, one interesting thing to think about, which you likely already know, I just don't think we really articulate this, but when, when one is, when one is lifting a weight, actually start off. If I, if I'm just, you know, doing a bicep curl, I'm flexing my elbow.

[00:35:47] Garrett Salpeter: It only takes me a small percentage of the motor units, the muscle fibers in my bicep to lift that arm. Right. You know, maybe it takes, call it 10%. Then when I, when I put a dumbbell in my hand, I have to engage maybe 20 or 30%, a heavier [00:36:00] dumbbell. Maybe I have to engage 40% heavier dumbbell, maybe 50 or 60%. So you use weight as a stimulus to, as a source of feedback, to force you to engage more muscle fibers and more motor units.

[00:36:13] Boomer Anderson: Yeah, 

[00:36:13] Garrett Salpeter: we can use electricity to stimulate more mo motor units, more muscle fibers so you can get that benefit without having to lift as much mechanical weight and get as much load or strain. Or risk of damage on your joints. 

[00:36:26] Boomer Anderson: Yeah. Just in interjection of a story here, I remember going to, do you still have the facility in Westlake?

[00:36:32] Boomer Anderson: Yeah, that's our, that's our hq, our home office. So I, I remember going to hq and this is at that sort of powerlifting time, and I, I have a photo of this somewhere, but. I, I showed up and I was gonna do just a workout. 'cause you, I think you told me just to come and try and work out with it rather than use it as sort of physical therapy device.

[00:36:52] Boomer Anderson: And it's one of those things that's sort of like blood flow, uh, restriction training where, uh, somebody tells you to like, just use the five pound dumbbells and you don't believe them at first. And then you get there. And this was, uh, with your power lifting friend at the time and, and he's just like, yeah, just use the bar.

[00:37:09] Boomer Anderson: And I was like, okay buddy. Like, you know. I'll be, I'll be, I'll need a little bit more weight than that. And he is like, no, you won't. And the next day you're just, I, I hadn't felt that much, Dom. Well, I wouldn't say it was Doms. It was like a different feeling. Like you just have a full activation of all of the muscles that you worked out, rather than having to put on 400, 500 pounds on the bar or whatever it was.

[00:37:33] Boomer Anderson: Right. It was, um, a pretty incredible experience. 

[00:37:37] Garrett Salpeter: Awesome. Yeah, that, that's the type of thing that that we see all the time. We actually have a couple of published studies looking at that effect, and we've seen similar muscle growth with traditional weightlifting over a a six or eight week training cycle compared to doing the newbie with no or very low external load.

[00:37:56] Garrett Salpeter: So we see similar growth there. And there is one good question that sometimes people ask, well, does that give you everything that you need? And you know, there. If you're not getting as much mechanical tension, you know, you may not as much axial loading. One question I have that that is something that we will explore in the next few years is, is what, if any effect is there of doing this on bone density?

[00:38:19] Garrett Salpeter: We know we can get 

[00:38:20] Boomer Anderson: Yeah. 

[00:38:20] Garrett Salpeter: Similar benefits on muscle growth. I, I don't yet have the information to be able to claim that it helps as much with bone density. So that's sort of, that's one question I have and I know if you're gonna compete in power lifting too. You do. This is, this is great. It gives you the effects that, that you boomer described, but you also do need to have the feeling of heavy weight.

[00:38:42] Garrett Salpeter: You know, otherwise, otherwise, if you're not used to that feeling, you know, your joint receptors in your spine, for example, are just gonna trigger these reflexes to shut down muscles. So you still have to see the weight occasionally, but if you, if you're not competing in power lifting, you know, you can do this, you can do a lot of this and stay healthy and [00:39:00] move better and, and generally feel better.

[00:39:03] Boomer Anderson: So a couple of follow on questions here, because you mentioned like the process of the mapping and then correcting defects and then working on functional capacity. And one of the things I wanna draw attention to is something that you said earlier about this, and I can't remember the, the exact words you used, but it was like an electric meditation.

[00:39:21] Boomer Anderson: And so somebody might be listening to this and say like, oh, is this whole episode about physical performance? But, um, let's talk a little bit about how. The actions that you're doing here and kind of rewiring the nervous system may play a role in stress response and being able to, you know, just go kick ass mentally as well.

[00:39:43] Garrett Salpeter: Oh man, this is such a great topic, and there's a few, there's a few different parts of this that I, that I want to dive into. One. One is the effects of exercise on. The brain, there's all this great research on how, how moving the body impacts the brain. It helps with release of things like BDNF and VEGF and these growth factors, uh, and also neurotransmitter production.

[00:40:10] Garrett Salpeter: Um, and then there's also the effects of handling stress. And then there's also this realm of physiological psychology, which. If you're listening to this podcast, you, you likely are familiar with the concepts or have read books like The Body Keeps the Score and understand how patterns of tension in the body, you know, how we, we tense the body in certain ways to carry on even em emotional.

[00:40:38] Garrett Salpeter: Offenses or, or fears or responses to things that have happened in the past. We still carry those with us in the forms of physical tension. And so there's, there's so many ways that working the body can impact cognitive performance and brain function and our everyday experience of life. So in that, you know, kind of perhaps going in order through those.

[00:40:58] Garrett Salpeter: There are, you know, looking at, at cognitive function, I, I hear so many times, I mean, I, I lose count on a, on a daily basis. We hear people that come into our clinic in Austin, they talk about how after they do one of these workouts, they feel like just the lights are shining brighter in their brain. They feel like.

[00:41:16] Garrett Salpeter: Uh, their mood and affect is better. You know, some people have talked about how, you know, I'm not, not making any, any, any claims or telling anyone they should change their prescriptions or something like that. But, you know, we, we, people have told us that they, they are able to reduce or get off of, you know, some of these, uh, you know, antidepressant type medications and things like that, and the benefit there.

[00:41:41] Garrett Salpeter: As far as we can tell again in a good area for further study, is these well-known effects of exercise on the brain. You know, moving the body does profoundly impact the brain. The credible neuroscientists have said that, you know, they believe the, the biggest reason. We have [00:42:00] evolved. The brains that we have, the complexity and size and energy demands of these brains is because of all the complex movements that we can do, and then of course, the complex social interactions that we have.

[00:42:10] Garrett Salpeter: But in terms of movements, you know, we're the only animal that can, you know, do a pushup and a pull up and run and walk and, and crawl and throw and implement. And carry things, right? So all these different things that we can do. So when we move, there's so much activity in the brain as it monitors and controls and guides that movement.

[00:42:29] Garrett Salpeter: And then when you, when you amplify that with. Electrical stimulation, you're getting more of that signal going up to the brain, and therefore more activity and more release of neurotransmitters and more release and stimulation of brain derived neurotrophic factor and vascular endothelial growth factor.

[00:42:45] Garrett Salpeter: And the other, other wonderful chemicals there that are like, they're like miracle growth fertilizer for the neurons and synaptic connections. So there's, there's really wonderful benefits there. Uh, and then. You know, kind of going along sort of the other area is definitely with stress management. You know, you, you mentioned Boomer, that master reset or that electric meditation that we had talked about earlier.

[00:43:08] Garrett Salpeter: And that, uh, is, you know, it's, it's a really powerful process if you imagine. You, you lie down, you know what diaphragmatic breathing is. So if you lie down and do diaphragmatic breathing for 10 or 20 minutes, you're likely going to see an increase in your heart rate variability, which is a, a proxy for parasympathetic nervous system activation.

[00:43:29] Garrett Salpeter: And, and we've measured this and, and we see that. And if you do this master reset protocol, if you have the, the what, the, what's called the newbie device for Neurobio electric stimulator, the new fit device, if you have that on, on these certain locations. You will, you know, stimulate the vagus nerve and get this electrical polarity that we talked about that correlates with these deeply meditative or restorative or sleep like states.

[00:43:54] Garrett Salpeter: If you do that, the increase in heart rate variability during that 10 or 20 minutes is going to be 2, 3, 4 times higher. So you see this amazing shift in heart rate variability, which of course shifts into parasympathetic mode, gives you a chance to recover so that you're better able. More recovered, you know, more replenished, better able to handle the next bout of stress when it occurs, and better able to access that state so you don't get stressed out in the sense of, you know, being able to, to just feel as overwhelmed or have a short fuse and lose your temper or things like that.

[00:44:25] Garrett Salpeter: So there's, there's impact there. Uh, and then in this realm of physiological psychology, I'm just trying to go through mentally in order the, the different topics I laid out there, uh, in. In physiological psychology when, when we do that mapping process, when we, when we scan around on the body, we are finding, we're finding a few things.

[00:44:45] Garrett Salpeter: We're finding areas where there's guarding intention. We're finding areas where there's inhibition. We're finding areas where there might be a deficit in proprioception. And that's an interesting one, just a little aside, because if you have a deficit in proprioception, you know, as you know, the brain is constantly [00:45:00] monitoring the body and.

[00:45:02] Garrett Salpeter: Paying attention to the inputs that are coming in from all the different mechanoreceptors, all the different nerve sensors out in the, in the body. And if there's not as, so proprioception, is that the, that that sense of the brain watching or monitoring where the body is in space and if there's a deficit in information coming up to the brain.

[00:45:21] Garrett Salpeter: The brain can't tell as clearly where that part of the body is in space. And so if it can't tell where your left leg is in space, it's concerned that you might, you know, you might step on a sharp object or step, you know, kick something that could harm you or step in hot lava, right? It doesn't know. And so it'll actually limit movement there.

[00:45:41] Garrett Salpeter: So that's one of the things that we're able to find interesting discussion there. But. As we find these patterns of tension, you can find something, you know, in the abdomen or diaphragm that's part of like, like your body's sort of bracing this very central, flexor based protective pattern. Very, very kind of primal pattern.

[00:45:58] Garrett Salpeter: You can find something there. Uh, and, and you know, I've seen examples where, we'll, we'll scan around and someone find something there and they'll be like, oh my gosh, I just remembered. This time that I fell, or this time from a childhood when my mother yelled at me or something like, like these things that come up that speak to this notion of physiological body, keeping this work.

[00:46:16] Garrett Salpeter: Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And so, and then working through that can help free up some of those psychoemotional patterns as well. 

[00:46:25] Boomer Anderson: Uh, this is fascinating. I, I think there's a, I know there's a time limit on this interview, but there's a couple of things that I want to just differentiate here between, uh, what you're doing with the newbie and at New Fit versus, uh, something that may in the mainstream, uh, parlance, EMS.

[00:46:47] Boomer Anderson: Is that all just ac or what are we talking about here? Uh, because somebody might listen to this and say, well, hey, I have my, you know, EMS suit, what am I doing differently here with the newbie, 

[00:46:59] Garrett Salpeter: it's, it's a good question and definitely worth clarifying. So, EMS, if, if that is, you know, electrical muscle stimulation is sort of an umbrella term that would.

[00:47:10] Garrett Salpeter: You know, depending on how you look at it, would, would technically include what we're doing and then what's generally available in the market. More typically when people are using that, they are talking about the tens units, inferential, Russian stem, the EMS suits, and those are, you know, virtually everyth.

[00:47:28] Garrett Salpeter: Everything that people are generally referring to is gonna be alternating current. And then the difference with this is direct, current and all the. You know, and so when we 

[00:47:35] Boomer Anderson: talk about that book, you and I have talked about the book Super training before, I think, right? And I can't remember the, the Russian sign.

[00:47:41] Boomer Anderson: Yeah. Russian. Oh, and Yuri 

[00:47:42] Garrett Salpeter: Kosky. 

[00:47:43] Boomer Anderson: Yeah. So I'm glad you remember his name, right. And in there he talks about how you can take a muscles performance to like 120 or whatever percent. I, I don't remember the exact numbers. You probably do. Um, is he talking about using EMS in that case, or is are, were the [00:48:00] Russians using DC 

[00:48:01] Garrett Salpeter: So there's.

[00:48:03] Garrett Salpeter: This is an interesting nuance, what we call quote unquote Russian stem today is a stereotypical alternating current, you know, specific type of current and. The Russians back in the, in the heyday of the Soviet Sports Science era, the, you know, 1960s, 1970s, they were experimenting with all types of currents.

[00:48:24] Garrett Salpeter: So they used both alternating current and direct current. They used different types. They, they're the ones that found, you know, I mentioned back in the sixties and seventies that many of these benefits of direct current were known. But there was always that problem of stinging burning the skin. The Soviets actually burned several of their athletes doing some of these experiments, and of course we couldn't do that here in the west.

[00:48:42] Garrett Salpeter: So that's part of why it fell out of favor. So the, so, so there's a difference between what the Soviet sports scientists did and what we call today, the defined term Russian current or Russian stem. So, so they experimented with different types. They used both direct current and alternating current, and some of what they did.

[00:49:01] Garrett Salpeter: Wow. What they, what they talked about in that book was these. So-called Supra, maximal contractions, where you would get someone to contract their muscle as hard as they could isometrically, and then add electrical stimulation on top of it, turn it up. They would have people biting down on leather 'cause they were screaming and it was so intense.

[00:49:21] Garrett Salpeter: So they would turn it up literally as much as the person could tolerate and see if they could get them to increase their force. A little bit. And they worked on trying to close that gap of getting people to consciously create their maximum amount of force so that when they turn the electrical stimulation up, there was no longer any increase because they were already activating as much as they could without the assistance of electrical stimulation.

[00:49:44] Garrett Salpeter: So they did those experiments. Some of those, uh, when they're just doing that barrage like that, that that barrage of just increasing, uh, you know, you, you perhaps would be able to do that with alternating current. And I'm not sure. That sounds 

[00:49:59] Boomer Anderson: like 

[00:49:59] Garrett Salpeter: a lot of sympathetic nervous system activation. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:50:02] Garrett Salpeter: So that, that, that particular, you know, that's the one of the main, uh, references that they, you know, kind of use cases that they talk about in Super Train. There's, there's a few others with electrical simulation, but that's the one where they talk about increasing muscle strength and muscle firing, so that, uh, I'd have to go back and look and see what type of current they used, if it's even.

[00:50:24] Garrett Salpeter: Mentioned. 

[00:50:24] Boomer Anderson: I, I, I don't think they disclose it in the book. Yeah. But it, it's, um, it's been a long time since I've read Yuri's book. In fact, in preparing for this, I just kind of glanced at it on the shelf. 'cause I knew I was talking to my friend Garrett, who knows this book way better than I do. Um, uh, Garrett, what do you think the world of, you know, electroceuticals is gonna be like in the next five to 10 years?

[00:50:46] Boomer Anderson: Because you guys are really pioneering here, right? Like you're pushing the research forward, you're getting people to try new things. You're doing studies. What does it look like in the next five, 10 years? 

[00:50:56] Garrett Salpeter: I look forward to [00:51:00] finally being able to use some of these principles from the Body Electric to use electric fields to precisely modulate and guide the healing process in the body.

[00:51:13] Garrett Salpeter: I think that it's, it's possible to have salamander like regenerative properties in humans. Uh, I don't know if that's the next five years or the next 15 years. I, you and Mike Levin would agree on that one. So yeah, so I think, I think that is, I think that is, is certainly part of it. One of the big things that, that I think we're, I, I appreciate that, you know, mentioned that we're, you know, sort of pioneering or leading this electro field.

[00:51:45] Garrett Salpeter: One of the things that I, I, I, I think that's true. What I'm consciously even. I probably more aware of is really leading the, the conversation in this nervous system first approach and really helping people think about the software at least as prominently or at least as early in the rehabilitation process as they think about the hardware where we've been in this model of a very hardware dominant, hardware focused paradigm where the interventions are focused on the structures and tissues of the body.

[00:52:15] Garrett Salpeter: So that's where I think about and the electro piece. The electrical piece of that sort of dovetails with it, but I'm, I'm excited for that. I, I also, you know, I, I had mentioned earlier this notion of there being different electrical fields associated with sleeping versus wakeful and alert states of consciousness.

[00:52:36] Garrett Salpeter: And so I, I believe that at some point we're gonna be able to have electrical anesthesia where instead of having to have those, you know. Pharmaceutical drugs that, that are toxic to the liver and that take a while to come off of. And uh, you know, I had one orthopedic surgery and I didn't take any pain meds.

[00:52:54] Garrett Salpeter: I actually had an amazing recovery thanks to the newbie. Uh, the different, different story. But the thing that I felt absolute worst was just a day of like feeling like the worst hangover ever coming off of all the anesthetic and stuff. 

[00:53:07] Boomer Anderson: It was. Yeah. 

[00:53:08] Garrett Salpeter: Uh, so, uh, I think there's a day when we can apply either an electrical or magnetic field to the brain.

[00:53:15] Garrett Salpeter: And shift the polarity to make one unconscious and create an, you know, electrically induced anesthesia state. So that's something that I, I think there's, there's really amazing opportunities and. I'm, I'm excited. You know, a lot of the research that we have done so far that I've alluded to, you know, these published studies on neuropathy, on muscle hypertrophy.

[00:53:37] Garrett Salpeter: We have a few others, uh, on ms. Functional recovery in MS patients. We just had a case study, so yeah. Caveat one, you know, case study, but published in the Journal for Integrative Medicine on an a LS patient and Wow. And, you know, pretty amazing results. With the new fit methodology as well. So there's, you know, this admittedly is more in the, the clinical realm [00:54:00] because that's, we just work in that clinical world every day.

[00:54:02] Garrett Salpeter: I would, I would love to work with, and we have some university research partners that may be able to be involved with this and perhaps, perhaps you listening to this have some ideas and we'd love to talk about that, that as well. But I'd love to also see some more basic science about these electric fields.

[00:54:18] Garrett Salpeter: It's just funding that, and you know, we're a. Relatively in the grand scheme of things, smaller company and aren't able to do quite as much basic science. But what we saw in that neuropathy study was at least something that that can be built upon in that realm for sure. 

[00:54:32] Boomer Anderson: So, uh, I'm going to. I know you don't double click anymore on computers, but I'm gonna double click on that with sort of a final question.

[00:54:41] Boomer Anderson: If you had a blank check to do any sort of study and there is no roadblocks from the government issues with any sort of, uh, external parties, what would it be? 

[00:54:54] Garrett Salpeter: If I'm not harming any people or animals, I, I, I truly don't have to worry about that, and funding is no issue. I would work on. Using electric fields to reduce the size of tumors, and I would, I would work on attempting to regenerate limbs and organs of the body with electric fields.

[00:55:14] Boomer Anderson: Very cool, Garrett. Um, one final question that we ask everybody, and just because like, I. You're in this space of, of broadly speaking, health optimization and health optimization has a long continuum. What's one piece of advice that you would give people if they wanted to live smarter, not harder, and it doesn't have to be your own device.

[00:55:38] Garrett Salpeter: Ooh. Live smarter, not harder. You know, I mean, you already talk about and have products for sleep. So everything that I say is gonna is gonna come with the caveat that if you're not sleeping well. Nothing else matters, but, uh, so let's just as assume that I would say, you know, go, go back to part of the conversation we had here about the effect of movement on the brain and overall health.

[00:56:04] Garrett Salpeter: I would say find a way or multiple ways to joyfully easily, as you know, and more of a habit than a, than a sense of effort. Work movement into your life. So finding sports and hobbies and fitness practices and different things. Because I think that's one of the biggest problems today is how sedentary we are.

[00:56:26] Garrett Salpeter: And I think that's one of the, one of the biggest reasons for many health challenges. And of course there's environmental toxins and nutrition and stress and stuff like that, but I think that that movement is so, as we've talked about, so fundamental to who we are and, and our experience of life. And it's such a, such a, that.

[00:56:45] Garrett Salpeter: Mechanical transduction. When we move, we get, you know, literally that that mechanical force gets translated into electrical signals that, that have profound effects on all these things that we've talked about in the body and in health and longevity. So to me, I think that's just such [00:57:00] a big deal, you know, whether it's, uh, walking while taking phone calls or picking up a sport and a hobby and, you know, uh, training in the gym, you know, all these different things and, and movement is more broad.

[00:57:11] Garrett Salpeter: Exercise is just one piece of that. But movement is, is sort of. Anything, you know, whether it's a yoga or tai chi, tai chi, martial arts, dance practice. Do you know, do something, challenge yourself and find something that that's sustainable, that you like, that feels good, uh, and, and keep doing that. I think that's just so huge.

[00:57:28] Garrett Salpeter: Can't, can't undersell the importance of that. 

[00:57:32] Boomer Anderson: Garrett. Where can people find out more about you? New fit and what you're doing. 

[00:57:37] Garrett Salpeter: There's a few places. If you are on social media, please connect with us. Uh, we're most active on Instagram and then also Facebook. Uh, I have a personal page, which is my first and last name, garrett.sa Peter on Instagram.

[00:57:51] Garrett Salpeter: Uh, and then our business page is new fit, RFP for Rehab, fitness and Performance, N-E-U-F-I-T-R-F-P. And then our website is www.new fit NEU. Like neurological fi. 

[00:58:04] Boomer Anderson: Very cool, Garrett. Always a pleasure catching up my friend. Uh, maybe one of these days we'll do it in Chicago over a Black Hawks game or something.

[00:58:12] Boomer Anderson: But, uh, thank you for making the time today. 

[00:58:15] Garrett Salpeter: Likewise. Yeah, I'd love that next Chicago trip. I'll, uh, reach out to you for sure. We'll get something on the calendar. 

[00:58:21] Boomer Anderson: Beautiful to everybody listening out there, enjoy your day and always remember to live smarter, not harder. Thank you. Good times with good friends, and that's what we'll call that conversation.

[00:58:33] Boomer Anderson: Uh, Garrett once again is the founder of New Fit. You can find them@neu.fi. And if you wanted to try out the newbie, please just go on their website, send 'em an email. They'll connect you to somebody, hopefully in your area. Uh, again, we covered a lot in this conversation. Uh, talking about. Super training and how the Soviets used to use electro stem to really force muscle contraction.

[00:58:59] Boomer Anderson: We talked about, uh, electroceuticals and perhaps some of the stuff that this might have some overlap in the future with what Michael Levin is doing, and Michael Levin has been on the show before. If you want to go and tune into that one, it's a good follow-up conversation to this. Uh, we talked a bit about nervous system resets and how we can use direct current for that and a lot more so.

[00:59:23] Boomer Anderson: If you wanna find out more about what Garrett's doing, I already referenced his uh, website, but please come out, check out the podcast, check out other episodes, uh, smarter Not Harder, podcast anywhere. Podcasts are fine. Leave us a five star rating or smash that like and subscribe button if you're watching the song.

[00:59:40] Boomer Anderson: YouTube, have a wonderful day.

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Podcast: The NeuFit Undercurrent

Book: The NeuFit Method

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